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From: Mark.Baker@mettav.exnet.com (Mark Baker)
Date: 24 Jul 94 11:13:16
Message-Id: <UUCP.775073468@mettav>
Subject: Digest continued
To: gem-list@world.std.com (gem-list@world.std.com)
Precedence: bulk
Waldi:
> I didn't mean the specs for the source files which are compiled by HCP.
> I meant the specs for the format of the files read by the viewer (i.e.
> *.HYP, *.REF). If those formats are not documented they cannot become
> a standard. If they are documented, please let me know where to find
> these docs.
The specs for the .ref files are in reflink.hyp.
Guillaume:
> At this time I think that only english and german are supported under
> ST-guide. I won't release a commercial software with an online help system
> in english. We need to be able to translate every message of STguide in
> every language.
I am quite happy using the German version of ST-guide (english docs would have
been useful though) However I would not want to distribute it with commercial
software even though as a user I would be happy to get it.
> This should be done for every software. On the falcon it's easy
> to detect the language of the TOS but on older machines ???
You need to look in the osheader IIRC. Not too difficult though. But a
multilingual version would be much larger, I would prefer just different
translated versions.
> I also think that Stguide should be improved, when I see the help system on
> Windows.
It's not easy to write for. It does have some nice features though like support
for different fonts and sizes. OTOH having different fonts like this means the
user cannot choose a font as they can with ST-guide so if the one chosen by the
author is too small, too large or too blocky to be usable on their system they
are stuck with it
Chris:
> Go figure indeed. C++ programs are larger than C programs because the
> _linkers_ being used were designed for C code. Instead of being
> intelligent and linking in only the used members of a class (which is sort
> of what they do for C if your library is designed properly), it links in
> the whole class, which can be quite large.
No, it's the class programmers fault. If they put each method in a separate
file instead of all in one module then it would not create such large
executables.
> I'll bet it won't make a GEM NetHack smaller than about 750k or so...
> (Not a fair test, since plain NetHack compiles to *at*least* 700-800k; I
> think Warwick had to leave out several features in the GEM NetHack on
> atari.archive... it's binary is over 800k if I remember correctly.)
Over a meg. AFAICS the only features left out are things like the demons that
hand you a scroll when you recieve any email - since it predates MiNTnet there
is little point.
> Which is exactly what I'd call the Pure C optimiser... GNU C's code may
> be large, but it's VERY good. Personally, I have a hard drive, so I
> could care less if my binaries are a bit larger.
Yes, IME it optimises for speed very well but makes no attempt to cut down the
size.
> Uh-oh, now we'll get into the consistant-user-interface argument again...
> :)
Isn't that rather avant-garde, discussing something almost on topic? :)
Manfred:
>> they and where can I get one?
>
> Look at the end of these mail... ;-)
Please do not include large uuencoded files in a public mailing list.
David:
> Rick, if we get you ST-Guide's access method (when it's an ACC) could you
> make your ACC's interface fairly like it? I mean I've seen neither so
> I've no idea whether the fundimentals of each are different, but I
> wouldn't think so.
They both support the Pure-C protocol AIUI. However the format of the hypertext
files is different.